Expedition Claims Finding Ark On Ararat

[j2k4]

Originally posted by ilw@4 November 2003 - 12:03
congrats

Thanks!

[billyfridge]

Originally posted by j2k4@4 November 2003 - 15:59
I was the defendant.

Ah, to live in a town so small, you can go to court and be done and home in 30 minutes.

In a nutshell:

I have a massive medical bill pending (due to my heart "event" 18 months ago); $40,000, and the hospital thought I wasn't paying fast enough.

Even though I make regular payments, they wanted $800/month, or have me file bankruptcy, to get me off their books-I insist on paying my bill rather than bankruptcy, so a judge interceded on my behalf in order that a realistic payment be ordered, and to stop them threatening to take away everything I own.

I feel better than I did 2 hours ago, for sure.

I'ts good to see courts give the little guy a chance rather than the big guys winning all the time. do you have legal aid in the US? legal aid in UK is money help if you have none.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by billyfridge+4 November 2003 - 18:01--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (billyfridge &#064; 4 November 2003 - 18:01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@4 November 2003 - 15:59
I was the defendant.

Ah, to live in a town so small, you can go to court and be done and home in 30 minutes.

In a nutshell:

I have a massive medical bill pending (due to my heart "event" 18 months ago); &#036;40,000, and the hospital thought I wasn&#39;t paying fast enough.

Even though I make regular payments, they wanted &#036;800/month, or have me file bankruptcy, to get me off their books-I insist on paying my bill rather than bankruptcy, so a judge interceded on my behalf in order that a realistic payment be ordered, and to stop them threatening to take away everything I own.

I feel better than I did 2 hours ago, for sure.

I&#39;ts good to see courts give the little guy a chance rather than the big guys winning all the time. do you have legal aid in the US? legal aid in UK is money help if you have none. [/b][/quote]
I was appreciative, and also expectant of, the judge&#39;s decision.

Quite heartened to have it work out as I felt that it should-sensibly.

There are certain programs that can be accessed, and I tried these, but, though I make very little money currently, it was too much in one instance, and in another my assets ( ) were deemed too great.

I seem to be mired in a non-existent demographic.


Edit: addenda-

An interesting aside-About 8 years ago I was much more gainfully employed, with great insurance, etc.; I traveled quite a bit for my job, and it occurred that I chipped a bone in my elbow during some after hours activity that, while totally legal, would have been looked upon by my employer as a bit questionable.

I visited a small-town clinic (modern facility) for x-rays, etc., and after diagnosis attempted to pay my bill in cash, to avoid detection and unpleasantness with my job.

The receptionist had to admit to me she had no method or system for accepting cash payment.

The doctor was called to settle the dilemma, and he told the receptionist to go get a cup of coffee, whereupon he took my cash, pocketed it, and bade me "Good Day".

[MagicNakor]

Just because it&#39;s legal in Vegas...

Government programs really need to be rethought in some cases. I&#39;m not eligable for any monetary assistance from the government because my assets are too great also. It would be nice to know which assets these are, because I sure the hell don&#39;t see them.

[imnotanaddict]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@4 November 2003 - 11:42
This is another load of bollocks to sell a book.&nbsp; There was no ark, there was no Noah, there is no fucking god.

Cynicism or narrow-minded? or both?



http://home.earthlink.net/~misaak/guide/CH/CH500.html

Claim CH500:
There have been many sightings of Noah&#39;s Ark:


Berosus, c. 275 B.C., reports remains of it in the mountains of the Gordyaeans in Armenia. [p. 15]
Flavius Josephus mentions remains of the Ark on Baris. [16-17]
Several writers tell of St. Jacob of Medzpin, who persistently tried to climb Ararat. Angels commanded him to stop trying but brought him a plank from the Ark. [17-21]
Several accounts through history suggest that Armenians have knowledge of and wood from the Ark. [21-22]
In 1952, Harold Williams wrote a story told by Haji Yearam in 1916. According to the story, Yearam helped guide three scientists to the Ark in 1856. Upon finding the Ark sticking out of a glacier near the summit, the scientists flew into a rage and tried futilely to destroy it. Then they took an oath to keep the discovery a secret and murder anyone who revealed it. About 1918, Williams saw a newspaper article giving a scientist&#39;s deathbed confession, which corroborated Yearam&#39;s story. [43-48]
In 1876, English explorer James Bryce found a four-foot long hand-tooled piece of wood on Ararat at the 13,000 feet level. [51-55]
In 1883, a Turkish commission surveying Ararat for possible avalanche conditions found part of the Ark protruding 20 or 30 feet from the foot of a glacier. [56-58]
In 1887, on his third attempt to find the Ark, Prince Nouri of Bhagdad found it on the higher peaks of Ararat. [64-67]
In 1908 and again in 1910, a local Armenian Georgie Hagopian, then just a boy, visited the Ark with his uncle. The Ark was on the edge of a cliff; its wood was like stone. [69-72]
In 1916, a story by Vladimir Roskovitsky told how he and other Russian aviators sighted the Ark, nearly intact, grounded on the shore of a lake on Ararat. An expedition reached the Ark about a month later. Photographs and plans were sent to the Czar, but the Bolsheviks overthrew the Czar a few days later, and the evidence was lost. Later testimony revealed that that account was 95% fiction, but other Russian soldiers have told of hearing of an expedition which discovered Noah&#39;s Ark in 1917. [76-87]
Six Turkish soldiers climbed Ararat and saw the Ark in 1916. [90-92]
A monestary at Echmiazin hosts a piece of wood reputedly from the Ark. [93-97]
While lost on Ararat in 1936, Hardwicke Knight found timbers of dark, soft wood. [98-101]
Two American pilots saw the Ark several times and once brought a photographer along. The photograph appeared in the Tunisian edition of Stars and Stripes in 1943. Many people remembered the article, but no copies remain. [102-107]
Donald Liedmann met a Russian Air Force major in 1938 and 1943 who showed him pictures of the Ark. It was mostly buried in a glacier. The photographs have never been released. [109-112]
In 1948, a Kurdish farmer named Resit reported finding the prow of the Ark about 2/3rds the way up Ararat, protruding from ice. The wood was black and too hard for him to cut off a piece. [115-116]
A 1949 satellite photograph of the Western Plateau of Mt. Ararat shows an elongated box-like object which could be Noah&#39;s Ark. [Morris, 2001]
In 1955, after two unsuccessful searches, Fernand Navarra found hand-hewn wood in the ice at the 13,750 foot level. He retrieved a small sample of the wood. However, even die-hard arkeologists suspect fraud. In 1969, small pieces of wood were found where Navarra directed people to dig. Again, fraud is suspected. [129-134,158-160]
George Green photographed the Ark from a helicopter in 1953, but his pictures aroused no serious interest, and they are now lost. [135-137]
The ERTS satellite photographed Noah&#39;s Ark in 1973, but the satellite&#39;s resolution was insufficient. [203-206]

[Unless noted otherwise, references are to LaHaye & Morris, 1976]
Source:
LaHaye, Tim, and John Morris, 1976. The Ark on Ararat, Thomas Nelson Inc, Nashville and New York.
Morris, John D., 2001 (Feb.). Noah&#39;s Ark remains in the news&#33; Acts & Facts 30(2): 1-3.
Response:
The reports of Ark sightings have in common that none have been corroborated. Most have few if any witnesses. Photographs and newspaper articles disappear, sometimes inexplicably, or they are too vague to be meaningful. Physical evidence either is not retrieved, is faked, or comes from recent wood carried up the mountain. They have the appearance of fables, not fact.


The reports are inconsistent. The ark has been found in different places on the mountain (and on different mountains, if you include earlier accounts). Its condition varies from almost intact to broken in half to only finding isolated timbers. The character of the wood varies from too hard to cut to falling apart. Early accounts make it sound like local residents visited the Ark routinely, while other accounts stress the hardships encountered.


Noah&#39;s Ark is the sort of subject that people would tell stories about. Some people would be motivated by misplaced piety to make up stories. Some have been motivated by money. Others might elaborate a story simply to get attention.

[MusicChick]

It was on Unsolved Mysteries a few years back.

[Billy_Dean]

Originally posted by imnotanaddict
Cynicism or narrow-minded? or both?

Your point?

Tell us there was an ark then; tell us the world was flooded by some god; tell us this Noah guy filled his ark with tens of millions of species; tell us he then returned them to every corner of the earth; tell us you&#39;re sane.

People who believe in this crap have a bloody nerve calling others narrow minded, after all, just how narrow minded can you be?

[AussieSheila]

Originally posted by imnotanaddict+5 November 2003 - 18:04--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (imnotanaddict &#064; 5 November 2003 - 18:04)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Billy_Dean@4 November 2003 - 11:42
This is another load of bollocks to sell a book. There was no ark, there was no Noah, there is no fucking god.

Cynicism or narrow-minded? or both?



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How &#39;bout logical and realistic?

B)

[imnotanaddict]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean+5 November 2003 - 10:49--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Billy_Dean @ 5 November 2003 - 10:49)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-imnotanaddict
Cynicism or narrow-minded? or both?

Your point?

Tell us there was an ark then; tell us the world was flooded by some god; tell us this Noah guy filled his ark with tens of millions of species; tell us he then returned them to every corner of the earth; tell us you&#39;re sane.

People who believe in this crap have a bloody nerve calling others narrow minded, after all, just how narrow minded can you be?


[/b][/quote]
I think that reply proves my point. Quite comical really. Because you say something is a load of crap, is your opinion, that does&#39;nt make it fact. Just as my opinion does&#39;nt (whatever that might be). You seem to imply you know my opinion
I mabe should have asked skeptisism or know it all?

[Billy_Dean]

Originally posted by imnotanaddict
Cynicism or narrow-minded? or both?

You made the comment, are you saying now that this is not your opinion? Then why did you post it?

You then followed it up with .... what? Nothing&#33;&#33; That was your proof?