Strange Sound, Screeching Songs...et Cetera

[WolverineDK]

ThompZen you are lucky that downloading music is legal in Norway because in Denmark it is illegal to download music and that sucks
FUCK all the "antipirategroups" like RIAA and MPAA and the stupid fuckedup danish KODA and APG and all other groups around the world.

peace
WolverineDK

[mikelite]

about the schreeching mp3's perhaps there is a need to encrypt the mp3's
...........
There is always a way of course.

Now here's a good question (i think)

if the RIAA is providing information over the kazaa networks, even if
the information is designed to cause MIS-information, does that mean
that the RIAA is now condoning the use of kazaa? B)

In other words, if they are supplying ppl with downloads than the very
song names that they are providing should be legal as they are allowing
these songs to be dl'ed (albeit a crappy copy) from their servers
for free. (Perhaps we should start logging which songs they have
endorsed already? )

This won't be much of an issue soon as we start to see 18gb dvd-rw
double layer disks coming about. Then friends will get together and copy
each others WHOLE mp3 collection :beerchugwhat? 4000 songs a disc?)
we won't need p2p anymore as it will become too slow again.

I understand the need for musicians to be compensated for their labours
and yes it is a problem that they are not being compensated enough.

However, remember the technology to convert audio into an exact playable
copy is relatively new. (150 years?) aside from music box type equipment.
Now we have evolved into the information age where music can be stored
as 0's and 1's in a computer and played exactly as it was recorded -
which costs nothing to copy!!!

Ppl see that it costs relatively nothing for musicians
to create good songs (i know this is not true but..), then when the albums come
out they cost $20 a pop, then concerts are $$ and t-shirts $$. So when that album
or song comes over the p2p networks having been soaked as we have
as consumers we obviously don't feel like buying that song.

you see the consumers started thinking about whats actually going on...

Supply and demand. Ppl are willing to dl instead of buying...


The reason ppl 'steal' mp3's is not because they want 'free' music.
It is because ppl are tired of paying exorbiant fee's for albums where
all they want is one song of the album. The music industry has forgotten
who caters to who.

And I see schreeching mp3 files showing up as the RIAA's way of trying
to spit in ppl's food after having a bad day. Will they discourage ppl from
dl'ing? probably not and just distill more of a hatred towards them.





-mikelite

[ThompZen]

Hm, I just read an article on www.neowin.net about Kazaa closing down Kazaa Lite!?! Is this true? And yes, we are very lucky that downloading music is legal, so far..

[deepthawt]

Originally posted by mikelite@7 December 2003 - 06:01


In other words, if they are supplying ppl with downloads than the very
song names that they are providing should be legal as they are allowing
these songs to be dl'ed (albeit a crappy copy) from their servers
for free. (Perhaps we should start logging which songs they have
endorsed already? )

i think his falls in the legal black hole of honeypots (just cause its there doesnt mean you can go stickin your pooh hands in it)

[oldgil]

yknow what? If thes Muther fuckers spent as much time and money into doing something worth while like helping the poor! instead of paying for servers and taking man hours to wreck songs just to fuck with people and seriously its not like these people dont make enough money anyway... i mean seriously "what im losing 100,000 dollars a year out of my 5 million dollar a year (or more) so im gonna take my time to fuck with kids who want only one song out of a 20 dollar album... i mean seriously RIAA fuckers do something productive for our country!

[mikelite]

Originally posted by deepthawt+8 December 2003 - 04:24--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (deepthawt &#064; 8 December 2003 - 04:24)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-mikelite@7 December 2003 - 06:01


In other words, if they are supplying ppl with downloads than the very
song names that they are providing should be legal as they are allowing
these songs to be dl&#39;ed (albeit a crappy copy)&nbsp; from their servers
for free. (Perhaps we should start logging which songs they have
endorsed already? )

i think his falls in the legal black hole of honeypots (just cause its there doesnt mean you can go stickin your pooh hands in it)[/b][/quote]


Well what are legalitys of honeypots?
Lets say you run a honeypot on port 80
and for some reason a dns server has
pointed itself at your address?
Does this constitute a cyber-crime if someones
web-browser opens up the honeypot homepage
off that server? -- however, you are responsible
(as the server&#39;s administrator) for the content
placed on so said server.

-Gibberish. :confused:

Okay lets look at this another way.

Anyone, according to the most p2p toa (terms of agreement)
legalise, is responsible for the content they share on the
network. Admittantly not everyone respects this toa.
However, if I am a musician and I offer my music
on a p2p network, it is my RIGHT to do so knowing full
well that others may download and listen to without
any compensation back to my part (except the
feeling i&#39;ve done a good thing).

The riaa OWNS the copyrights for these songs
(and if they are providing false information
on songs they do NOT OWN that could be
cause for litigation) therefore if they want to
serve music titles on these p2p networks
it is their RIGHT to do so as owners of those
copyrights. (Musician lose their copyright ability
after selling their songs to.. i don&#39;t know, the
riaa- but receive royalties in return - and royalties
weren&#39;t always given&#33;&#33

If the riaa is providing info across the p2p networks
attacking random hashes then I think that is something
called tampering under the dmca. Perhaps some of us
should read that dmca.....

P2P can protect itself just fine WITH the DMCA.
Perhaps counter-suing under the dmca?

-mikelite

[nuclear hawk]

TompZen
I would if i could

[nuclear hawk]

mikelite
find a good lawyer - one that cold match RIAA&#39;s lawyers and i am with you
I&#39;ll sue their fucking asses.
Well, may be if we could organaize folks to file organized lawsuit, it could work, the problem is...we&#39;ll never be able to do it...

[deepthawt]

ok here goes.....
:honey pots; are programs that emulate services on designated port , but once succesfully cracked, offers no real power to the attacker .the honeypot prgram then alerts the says admin to the attack and allows the admin to track the attackers every move.
:proving the riaa role in the screeching files and other types of corrupt files is a stretch . were all basing this on circumstantial evidence . if you know anything about kazaa&#39;s hash system then the exploit is obvious.just try to open a currupted mp3 in word pad youll be quite susprised. I&#39;d suspect that anyone who set the time on the vcr could do it.


so now you say lets sue the riaa under the law that they wrote to protect them selves? great tactic suntzu and miramoto musashi would be proud.
but how? how do you sue for the right to illegaly trade copyrighted material?
you cant even give a dollar to a bum on the street without legaly having to have a receipt to prove the transaction.your talkin about hopin in the ring with ali ,cause you think you can box.your messin with other peoples money .people who have had money before you had a pot to piss in . you think they re gonna roll over and play dead whilst we all reap the benifit of free music and games and software?
thats why there are hackers and crackers and other types of ne&#39;re-do-well&#39;s, to stretech the limits of imagination ,and security.lets face it the fileshare community is riddled with criminals, criminals that know what they are doing and know how to do it .if your scared just forget what were talkin about and go to church .have you noticed the people gettin cuaght by the riaa are 14 year olds?its a digital revolution based on non violence and civil disobedience.
this isnt about a good copy of in da club anymore, for the first time americans of all ages sex&#39;s and race&#39;s will expeirence an opression strong enought to unify us all to fight for the common right,freedom.

[mikelite]

&nbsp; so now you say lets sue the riaa under the law that they wrote to protect them selves? great tactic&nbsp; suntzu and miramoto musashi would be proud.

Well a strong stance is much better than running and hiding.
If we don&#39;t face this sort of thing head-on we are surrendering
our rights and justifying their actions.

but how? how do you sue for the right to illegaly trade copyrighted material?
you cant even give a dollar to a bum on the street without legaly having to have a receipt to prove the transaction.your talkin about hopin in the ring with ali ,cause you think you can box.

And yes the RIAA is a multi-billion dollar industry, granted and yet they
trample over the rights of their consumers in efforts to enforce a
technological back-pedal. However, with billions of computer users worldwide
how are they to stop this thing we call progress. It&#39;s too late and they are realizing this now.
Look at micro&#036;oft they have a much better cause to sue ppl as
ppl pirate their software all around the world, but are they suing everyone?
I don&#39;t think so. They know that public opinion is important.
(and billion dollar industries can really pay out if they lose.... )

lets face it the fileshare community is riddled with criminals, criminals that know what they are doing and know how to do it .

hmmm, when freedom is outlawed - only outlaws will be free.
I will not conceed that the p2p users are criminals (pedophiles are however).
Prohibition made it illegal to drink, but the law was eventually changed
because it was outdated. (Hey, if you own an ugly horse
i won&#39;t call you a criminal, but others could.)

this isnt about a good copy of in da club anymore, for the first time americans of all ages sex&#39;s and race&#39;s will expeirence an opression strong enought to unify us all to fight for the common right,freedom.

I agree, and it is fundamentally important that technological freedom be fought for.

-mikelite