The Thirteenth Vote

[Illuminati]

Originally posted by pol+13 July 2004 - 11:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pol &#064; 13 July 2004 - 11:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>yup we get a great deal of "personal gratification" with things like this you know. the thing is when you signed up for the board, the same as me and anyone else, you agreed to stick to the rules of it[/b]

Technically, we agreed to the rules that were there when we registered. We had no action to show our agreement to amendments of the rules, so older members&#39; agreements to amendments is assumed.

But assumed is not fact, and those rules are not always agreed with every old-timer member here

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So a murderer shouldn&#39;t go to prison because he wins some kind of popularity contest?[/quote]

Well if George W. Bush can get away with it...

[DanB]

Bully boy tactics rawk

[pol]

Originally posted by Illuminati+13 July 2004 - 12:57--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Illuminati &#064; 13 July 2004 - 12:57)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by pol@13 July 2004 - 11:45
yup we get a great deal of "personal gratification" with things like this you know. the thing is when you signed up for the board, the same as me and anyone else, you agreed to stick to the rules of it

Technically, we agreed to the rules that were there when we registered. We had no action to show our agreement to amendments of the rules, so older members&#39; agreements to amendments is assumed.

But assumed is not fact, and those rules are not always agreed with every old-timer member here

<!--QuoteBegin-Error403@ 13 July 2004 - 13:43
So a murderer shouldn&#39;t go to prison because he wins some kind of popularity contest?

Well if George W. Bush can get away with it... [/b][/quote]
i&#39;ve already made my opinion quite clear of your involvement in this, here it&#39;s here in case you missed it

and this has always been part of the rules:

15. You are responsible to read our board guidelines from time to time to be aware of the current version. Please check back often to check if our guidelines have changed.

again, as you dont know all the facts invloved your point is rather mute, and again as i said i&#39;ve wasted enough time with it

[DanB]

I just made an opinon here

[pol]

Originally posted by danb@13 July 2004 - 13:20
I just made an opinon here

good for you&#33;

i just thought i&#39;d reply as he quoted me is all, and i really have wasted enough time on this now

[DanB]

Hiding behind old events that no-one else got incvolved in is good too


I mean did anyone actually get involved in the Sam & Jonno disagreement or even the FC one? I think not

[lynx]

Originally posted by {I}{K}{E}@13 July 2004 - 10:58
So I think its not fair to make a public vote for the ban, also because other members did not get a public vote if they should be banned or not.

Isn&#39;t that like saying "we may have got it wrong in the past, so we don&#39;t want a system that might help to prevent that"? Sorry, that&#39;s just a cop out.

Speaking in general, not about any current situation, there seems to be too much of the "we volunteered for this position, so you shouldn&#39;t question our decisions" attitude from some mods. The response is often "read the rules, if you don&#39;t like them you can always leave".

My comment to mods with this attitude is this - if you don&#39;t like the members&#39; response to your actions, you can always resign. The forum may be run by the admins, but it is made by the members and the mods are there to keep things running FOR THE MEMBERS. If you think you are doing it for the admins or for yourselves you are sadly mistaken.

[manker]

Originally posted by lynx+13 July 2004 - 14:44--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lynx &#064; 13 July 2004 - 14:44)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-{I}{K}{E}@13 July 2004 - 10:58
So I think its not fair to make a public vote for the ban, also because other members did not get a public vote if they should be banned or not.

Isn&#39;t that like saying "we may have got it wrong in the past, so we don&#39;t want a system that might help to prevent that"? Sorry, that&#39;s just a cop out.

Speaking in general, not about any current situation, there seems to be too much of the "we volunteered for this position, so you shouldn&#39;t question our decisions" attitude from some mods. The response is often "read the rules, if you don&#39;t like them you can always leave".

My comment to mods with this attitude is this - if you don&#39;t like the members&#39; response to your actions, you can always resign. The forum may be run by the admins, but it is made by the members and the mods are there to keep things running FOR THE MEMBERS. If you think you are doing it for the admins or for yourselves you are sadly mistaken.[/b][/quote]
That is entirely the point I was trying to make for four hours this morning.

I alluded to it here although you summed it up more succinctly and eloquently than I. Cheers

[pol]

Originally posted by lynx
Speaking in general, not about any current situation, there seems to be too much of the "we volunteered for this position, so you shouldn&#39;t question our decisions" attitude from some mods. The response is often "read the rules, if you don&#39;t like them you can always leave".

i&#39;ve no real problem with anyone questioning decisions, although i&#39;d rather it was done a different way, like by pm

i&#39;ve quoted rules in threads because it seemed like the relevant thing to do, as it seems to be the fashion to question everything that is done - i know some of it is ligitimate but i dont think all of it is. i dont agree that members should be involved in moderation/banning decisions, for lots of reasons

i&#39;ve no problem &#39;stepping down&#39; or &#39;resigning&#39; either, if it&#39;s what most people want then it&#39;s for the best. perhaps a poll for that would be better

[Adster]

i wonder who decides weather or not a mod is to get banned

do we have a team for that