PassThePopcorn or PassTheChildPorn

[Aristocles]

That's not up for you or us to decide. It should without question be reported and let them decide. Maybe Max has a PC full of kiddie porn, what do know? This is a matter for the police, it's illegal and should be reported as such immediately.

Like it, or not, there isn't enough evidence to get a search warrant.

As I mentioned in my above post- there are A LOT OF CRIMES THAT OCCUR EVERY DAY.

Feel free to call the police yourself. Call the FBI, Interpol, The National Guard... Your call will go something like, "This guy posted 2 links to child porn online." Even if you had the guy's real name. Wait for it............No one is going to investigate.

from Six66Mike:

". . .let the cops decide", Eloquent simplicity. If interested in a drawn out version, read below.


1) You are wrong if you believe that authorities do not take ANY allegation of this sort VERY seriously. There are literally thousands of examples in divorce cases, etc. Where scant evidence and allegations have had as their end, serious investigations. Often times the person is not guilty, ask Pete Townsend

2) Imperfect justice? Of course, there is imperfect justice. A blind platitude, Perry. The fact is that because a society cannot prevent every drunk from driving a vehicle without significant infringements on the innocents liberty does not tell LE to stop all attempts at preventing them. Take simple but honest infringements on liberty, to wit, a random roadblock. Is this fair to innocent folk? Is it an infringements of personal privacy? Some argue it is. . . Random drug testing for jobs? Cameras taking pictures and then you are mailed a speeding ticket? Drug laws are legion and many catch up the innocent with the guilty. Are they infringements?

You type: "There IS technology that could monitor our every action online AND in the real world. We could have traffic cams at every intersection. Radar equipped cameras could record our roadways for speeders and drunk drivers. We could virtually eliminate street crime by posting video cameras in all public places. Our ISPs could turn over records to be scanned for our every page view and our emails could be previewed for suspicious activity. Since drug use leads to the deaths of innocents each year, we could ALL be required to send in MANDATORY blood and urine samples each month/week. All of our phone conversations could be screened as well"

I reply:
cf. above. I am, of course, ignoring MANY examples. Let's think through your example: Without the folks being unduly infringed upon there is no perfect justice, another (or the same) platitude. (There is no need here for me to drag up all of the rights and liberties US citizen have given up in the "drug war") The real issue in this case is about a guy posting his vile links to his 'buddies'. Nothing more and nothing less. NO REQUIREMENTS OF LOST LIBERTY ON INNOCENT CITIZENS.

2) If you think that if one of the parties copied the information as posted here and took it to the authorities and they would ignore it, cf. #1, so be it. BUT WHAT HAS THIS TO DO YOU WITH YOU? YOU HAVE A DUTY TO THE INNOCENTS OFFENDED AND IF YOU DO THAT DUTY AND IT FALLS STILLBORN THEN, SADLY, SO BE IT, ALSO.

3) As for the original poster, I suspect his motives are anything but sincere. But mine are quite sincere and not grandstanding. I simply find this behavior utterly vile. There are certain things that rank highest on my hierarchy of the degeneracy of crimes: The abuse of innocents tops the list.

Ultimately, what I saw convinced me that it was a site that I no longer wanted to be a member of. I see a small group of staff and a degenerate scumbag who was at some point a founder of the site involved in the reported conversation. Is this somehow completely oblique to the main site? Not for me. My life, my call.

This is my last post in this thread. I am allowing myself to get too upset. (I remember years ago I had a 'powerlifting' forum- the older threaded type forum- and we got overwrought in these internet debates. I lost sleep; I was angry, lol. But we knew real names and eventually met in person at meets and worked things out. Nevertheless, it's not worth it for me, now.)

Addenda as a final reply to below:

Thanks. (I have two sets of twins- 10 & 12.)

I guess we just disagree as to what LE considers large crimes. Alleged Federal infractions such as this, or other crimes they spend time on, say public intoxication. I suggest asking an officer if you happen to know any.

Screen shot -> links -> witness. If it doesn't provide enough for a search warrant it will put the light of day on him. The whole point is and has been that it was their duty to report it.

Inappropriate pics? That is a problematic and silly way to refer to what was evidently linked.

[cinephilia]

You yourself could have 'taken it to proper authorities' but instead you made the choice to blast this over the internet, to involve more people, and to draw more attention to the cp.

agreed.

Notice from the pics I posted I DID speak to both sysops

i saw a hysterical teen without wisdom trying to act like a hero.

[megabyteme]

This is my last post in this thread. I am allowing myself to get too upset. (I remember years ago I had a 'powerlifting' forum- the older threaded type forum- and we got overwrought in these internet debates. I lost sleep; I was angry, lol. But we knew real names and eventually met in person at meets and worked things out. Nevertheless, it's not worth it for me, now.)

You are obviously well educated, concerned, and passionate. I truly appreciate your efforts here! I can imagine we would be allies in many threads. I also know where your heart is. I have twins (one of each) who are now 4 weeks old. I am very protective of them and have no desire to see "individuals" () such as pedoMax wander freely.

I am participating in this thread because I believe it needs some balance to the knee-jerk, "let's string 'em up" mentality every time CP is mentioned.

Most of the people posting in this thread are making statements that equal, "I am for the environment", "I want clean air/water", "I am an anti-trader", "Guns are evil", etc. Some stances are EXTREMELY EASY. I simply want to throw some rationale in the mix.

If pedoMax had a wife, or gf, who had seen something on his computer and was willing to testify, there would be enough to get a warrant. The police could access his computer because she would grant them access. Yes, that does happen- and it should.

The difference in this case is that we have witnesses who saw a couple of links posted. That's it. Even with his name, social security number, and a photo of him, the police will not have any access to his house. There is not enough probable cause for a judge to grant a search warrant and the police are busy taking calls for much bigger crimes. To flood them every time someone posts a couple of inappropriate pics is silly and counter-productive.

I know this is serious. I was the first in this thread to call for pedoMax's ban. Unfortunately, unless we see fit to have all internet posts monitored and traced, this "case" will fall stillborn.

[glados]

PTP staff/sysops involved in that Skype convo (we were told they know Spektormax personally) are REQUIRED BY LAW to report him to the authorities (assuming they live in USA).

The fact that they did absolutely nothing about it makes them as bad as Spektormax. At least the OP has brought attention to the matter, which is the right thing to do, so I applause Azazel for what he did (you guys keep saying he did it because of revenge or whatever... guess what? nobody cares; the fact that you guys keep bringing this up to defend PTP and yourselves only makes you look foolish).

looking at the screenshot. z/jerrcs/Jeremy and Jon proceeded on posting further links like nothing just happened. Yes, not doing anything makes you as bad as the offender. This is fucking ridiculous.

You guys only "disabled" Spektormax's account after people raged at you for doing nothing about him... before you kept saying he's the founder (an "inactive staff") and there's nothing you could do about it. People are not stupid, the disabling of his account is just for show. I'm pretty certain he has other account(s), still has access to the site, and is still involved with PTP.

I do hope REAL actions are taken by PTP staff regarding this issue. Otherwise PassThePopcorn will always be seen as a front for underground child porn activities.

simply put, child porn links were being shared in a convo with 3 or 4 PTP staff... Enough reason for me and everyone else to leave PassThePopcorn ASAP!

[312c]

PTP staff/sysops involved in that Skype convo (we were told they know Spektormax personally) are REQUIRED BY LAW to report him to the authorities (assuming they live in USA).

The fact that they did absolutely nothing about it makes them as bad as Spektormax. At least the OP has brought attention to the matter, which is the right thing to do, so I applause Azazel for what he did (you guys keep saying he did it because of revenge or whatever... guess what? nobody cares; the fact that you guys keep bringing this up to defend PTP and yourselves only makes you look foolish).

looking at the screenshot. z/jerrcs/Jeremy and Jon proceeded on posting further links like nothing just happened. Yes, not doing anything makes you as bad as the offender. This is fucking ridiculous.

You guys only "disabled" Spektormax's account after people raged at you for doing nothing about him... before you kept saying he's the founder (an "inactive staff") and there's nothing you could do about it. People are not stupid, the disabling of his account is just for show. I'm pretty certain he has other account(s), still has access to the site, and is still involved with PTP.

I do hope REAL actions are taken by PTP staff regarding this issue. Otherwise PassThePopcorn will always be seen as a front for underground child porn activities.

simply put, child porn links were being shared in a convo with 3 or 4 PTP staff... Enough reason for me and everyone else to leave PassThePopcorn ASAP!

http://www.antichildporn.org/faq-on-cp.htm

Get your facts rigth, nobody was required to do anything by law and within the scope of the skype conversation nothing illegal was done. The only person who broke any laws was the person who uploaded the images to 510chan. As has already been stated, even if anyone had reported SpektorMax there was not enough probable cause from any LEO to do anything.

[DWCreeper167]

312c, release his personal details. Hell, get him banned from what.cd since he's still Torrent Celebrity there.

Release his personal info and whether or not the police can do something, I'm sure plenty of parents reading the article here and elsewhere will.

[Quarterquack]

Release his personal info and whether or not the police can do something, I'm sure plenty of parents reading the article here and elsewhere will.

Then you're asking for him to get raped, instead of prosecuted.

[nnnnnn]

312c, release his personal details. Hell, get him banned from what.cd since he's still Torrent Celebrity there.

Release his personal info and whether or not the police can do something, I'm sure plenty of parents reading the article here and elsewhere will.

dude really? I mean really? He didn't upload the pictures nor does he own the 510chan place where it was hosted. He has done nothing wrong.

wait wait, what if he claims, just posted to show you guys how disgusting that site is? what will you say? You've taken this to a point where he is banned from PTP.

My advice? move on.

^ My last post in this thread.

[megabyteme]

312c, release his personal details. Hell, get him banned from what.cd since he's still Torrent Celebrity there.

Release his personal info and whether or not the police can do something, I'm sure plenty of parents reading the article here and elsewhere will.

Classy. Vengeful. Stupid.

You have just made yourself liable if anyone attacks him.

THAT IS ACTIONABLE. Both civilly and criminally.

You have successfully drawn attention to yourself, pedoMax, and PtP. You and pM are of the same caliber in my book.

[312c]

312c, release his personal details. Hell, get him banned from what.cd since he's still Torrent Celebrity there.

Release his personal info and whether or not the police can do something, I'm sure plenty of parents reading the article here and elsewhere will.

I don't know any of his details and even if I did I would not make them available on the internet. What you are calling for is a lynch mob, which is a felony over here in the USA. I know people who's lives have been ruined by someone "dox'ing" them, it doesn't just hurt one person, it drags his/her entire family and friends into something they have nothing to do with. Would you like to receive phone calls at 4 am threatening to rape and murder your family? Would you like your house to be raided by SWAT forces in the middle of the night, and have guns pointed at your family members' heads, guns aimed by men who think you are a potential threat to them, men with itchy trigger fingers? I wouldn't wish that upon even the most vile pervert, and the fact that you obviously would shows your true character. Not to mention that anyone who posted his dox on the net would be liable for felony harassment charges, which could result in subpoenas and investigations of all involved message boards and servers. This is my last post here, because quite frankly how quickly you can turn on your friends disgusts me almost as much as SpektorMax's actions.